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wilebill · Mar 05, 2011, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Nah, no need to nerf. The game is being set up for incoming new players who will buy it after GW 2 comes out. Roll out the red carpet for them. Selling two games better than selling just one.

Benderama · Mar 05, 2011, 01:07 AM // 01:07

was still attempting HM Dzagonur bastion and similar stuff (expecting way too much).
then I remembered the same problem is still there. no-matter what your positioning one AoE spell from any monster in HM will murder the majority of your AI party.
making that better would almost negate the need for 7 heroes for me at least.
i#m wondering how easy it is to go through UW as heroes %D

MithranArkanere · Mar 05, 2011, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Discord is good if you can maintain a condition and a hex in the enemy.

As a necromancer, you can quickly apply barbs, weaken armor and a quick recharge&low cost hex, and once an enemy has both condition and hex, discords take care of the rest.

With melee professions you can use some their many condition skills and asuran scan (or hexes wit the assassin)

pingu666 · Mar 05, 2011, 01:59 AM // 01:59

with most discordway builds its a single target spike, but theres some aoe damage aswell. taking down that target seems tobe better than a more general wearing down of the mob.

Ive ran ss in normal mode, with a rit and her discord hero's, fire island with 2 missions + quest, and tbh it was hardly worth bothering with ss and the stuff died too fast, so it wasnt actully doing much damage

bhavv · Mar 05, 2011, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by pingu666

with most discordway builds its a single target spike, but theres some aoe damage aswell. taking down that target seems tobe better than a more general wearing down of the mob.

Ive ran ss in normal mode, with a rit and her discord hero's, fire island with 2 missions + quest, and tbh it was hardly worth bothering with ss and the stuff died too fast, so it wasnt actully doing much damage

Defile + Desecrate Enchantments, Ineptitude Mes, Mistrust on your Panic mes (overload too if you want), and a pair of spirit spammers including Splinter Weapon = all the extra AoE, damage and hexes required to make discordway wonderful

Discord x 3 is 3 massive single target spikes. You have plenty of room to add hexes and conditions and AoEs across your mesmers and other skill slots. Deathly Swarm and Spirit Rift can also be added if you feel like all the above isnt enough AoE.

Like seriously, improvise, add whatever discord needs to work across your 7 heroes, and it blows everything up effortlessly as long as your hexes and conditions can be applied.

Discordway was pretty meh before this update because you couldnt add enough hexes or AoE with only 3 heroes + hench before. But now you can.

Chthon · Mar 05, 2011, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Start with Shadow Form. Really nerf it so that it is no longer permanently maintainable.

Then, take several weeks, at minimum, to watch what happens to the game. So much of "high end" play revolves around abusing perma SF, that the ripples would take awhile to play out and observe. For example, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that cries of "nerf MoP" and "nerf Keystone" would end pretty quickly after people realized that those skills, while good, aren't so ridiculously awesome when you don't have a ball of 50-kajillion monsters to unload them into. Conversely, damage-dealing eles would be even weaker still without super tank-n-spank tanks.

Also, while I'm no expert on PvP, there seems to be an emerging consensus that Grenth's Aura is a problem.

Chocolate_Prayers · Mar 05, 2011, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Discordway was pretty meh before this update because you couldnt add enough hexes or AoE with only 3 heroes + hench before. But now you can.

Sure you could...
"You are all weaklings", "Painful Bond", Air of Superiority.. etc..
and that's just on the player's bar...

Also, reason why I mentioned Discord in the first place was due to the fact that a lot of hate towards Mercs was justified with something regarding said build.

bhavv · Mar 05, 2011, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Chocolate_Prayers

Sure you could...
"You are all weaklings", "Painful Bond", Air of Superiority.. etc..
and that's just on the player's bar...

Also, reason why I mentioned Discord in the first place was due to the fact that a lot of hate towards Mercs was justified with something regarding said build.

Not much AoE though. Now you can spec your remaining party slots to add more damage on top of the triple discord. Before you had to rely on henchmen.

NerfHerder · Mar 05, 2011, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Anything 7 heroes can do, 2 players and 6 heroes can do better. Most of the hero synergies have already been explored extensively. Unless a totally unexpected team synergy is found, we wont see anything we dont already know. I would watch for PvE skills and random imba stuff to get nerfed. See PvX Meta

I see something happening to "Save Yourselves!" soon. Followed by or preceding a Paragon update. After BuH and Ascan got hit, its arguably the best PvE skill out there.

Ether Renewal. Same boat as "SY!". If you take that away, Eles (like Paras) have almost no place in high end PvE.

Discord. If WiK proved anything, its that discord can easily be countered. And is subpar to your basic balanced build. I cant wait to see what Anet dreams up for Cantha:WoC. Discord plus Spiritway will be the path of least resistance for most GW players. Most already have Sab/Discordway set up for easy duo teams. And, most know the power of Spirit Spammers. Given that most players will use Discord(regardless of how effective it is), I dont think Anet will nerf it. SF is the most broken skill in the game, but most players use it, so it doesnt get nerfed.

The three hero limit created a need for skill bar compression. Now that we have 7 heros, we can decompress more powerful single purpose builds. Eg. ER prot didnt have much room on my Discord/Spirtway team before, but now it can easily find a place. Keep an eye out for those builds to get nerfed.

Missing HB · Mar 05, 2011, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Although some builds are a bit OP , i think it wouldn't be fair if , for example discord , was nerfed because some people did team builds with 7 necros ( thanks to mercenary slots)...

However , personnaly i didn't find any very OP build with heroes. UW , and FoW are huge jokes even in HM. DoA is almost undoable even in NM( i managed to finish it with 3 paragons finally , but roj , discord , sf and stuff are mostly useless.... ; no cons items ofc).. Didn't try urgoz and the deep yet...

AndrewSX · Mar 05, 2011, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Instead of nerf try to finally balance this game.... WTB large Eles and rangers update.

ER Prot is broken? AP should be nerfed? I could even agree, but then what i should do when playing ele? Yesterday i was doing Boogrot HM, and the MAX damage i got was 35. By Rogdort Invocation at 14 Fire(listed aroud 100 damage). 50 if standing in a EbsoH. Seriosly, give us something to do before kill us with ER and AP nerf. Rolled ER to be at least a little useful for my team...

Highlander Of Alba · Mar 05, 2011, 12:27 PM // 12:27

The question here is ...

Guys post will want see nerf this or that its op ect

Lets be honest for once what guys really want is to nerf something that affects there playstyle

So for once guys let new guys /returning guys have fun , bet you a $ that most of the guys who start these kind whats next to nerf proberly dont play the game now.

Since the implementation of 7 heros /mercs ect it still continues to see negative posts throughout.

For a game that you payed once to obtain and everything they give us for free there are still guys who complain.

This is like the classsic film Oliver Twist...were the guy asks for more and is never satisfied.

Sure I have mulitple accounts ect panes/ costumes ect

The nerfbat will always be a question why ? becasuse guys just want to say this or that is op. Just play the game guys and enjoy what you have without the added gloom is this going to be hit or not.